Chana Studley A True Survivor From Surviving 3 Muggings To Hollywood to Helping People Overcome Trauma and Pain

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Chana Studley has a remarkable story to share. She has had an amazingly interesting and successful career in Hollywood working on the sets of many notable films including The Flintstones movie and Babe In The City to name a few. Before she started her career during college and a few years after she was hit with three large bricks she was the victim of three muggings. She not only overcame those traumas but has listened to the whispers and used her experience to help others suffering from trauma and chronic pain. This is definitely a story you don’t want to miss!

Ari: Welcome to whispers and bricks. My name is Ari Schonbrun, and I’m your host I have with me as a guest today, Hannah studly, amazing, amazing individual, you’re going to hear her story. It’s absolutely mind blowing. And I know that she can help a lot of you out there. But kind of Studley. She recovered from a severe PTSD if the violent attacks in the UK and spent the next 25 years combining a very successful career in Hollywood, with coaching and counseling people with trauma, addictions and relationship problems. After graduating from the one thought Institute in 2018, she noticed that her 25 years of chronic pain had completely gone, and so conducted research to discover if she could reproduce this experience in others. Following the success of five case studies, she developed a program called painless and is now helping clients all over the world with all kinds of health issues, and working with doctors and clinicians, to introduce them to the quote unquote three principals. Kira is also a World Health Organization psychological first responder, an international speaker and author Khan his first book, The Myth of low self esteem, a novel about PTSD. Hollywood and healing came out last year and is available on Amazon. Our second novel, painless, a novel about chronic pain and the mind body connection is also available on Amazon. Please help me welcome Hannah studly. How are you?

Chana: I’m doing great. Thank you for having me on your show.

Ari: Thank you for agreeing to come on. I’m really really excited because, you know, you and I had had a discussion before and this is going to be one heck of a show. So let’s let’s not keep our audience waiting. Let’s get started. You know, as you know, the name of this podcast is whispers and bricks. The Whispers are those voices telling us what the right thing to do is and they represent the good in life. The bricks represent the bad things that we go through in life. Now, we all know that there isn’t a person out there who doesn’t have a brick thrown at them at one point in time or another everybody does. Some are bigger, some are smaller, but everybody has it. Now the reason I asked you to be on the show, is because after I read your history, I knew that there were people in my audience who were going through some of the same things that you had gone through, there had been hit with brick after brick, much like what you had gone through. And they needed to hear and to know that they could get through the trials and tribulations the same way that you did. They need to know that there are whispers out there for them that can save them. Now in your life. You’ve had many bricks thrown at you. Can you take us back to those troublesome years in Manchester and then London and tell us what happened and how you managed to get through that part of your life?

Chana: Sure. So I was actually mugged three times. You know, being mugged once is, you know, pretty bad. But three times was really a terrible experience. The first time I was in college, I was at Manchester University. It was in the early 80s. And I was at a concert. Young man wanted to dance with me. I said, you know, back off, I didn’t know him. And he, I remember feeling his hand on the back of my head. And he smashed my head into a concrete pillar on the side of the dance floor. And that fractured my skull. And I was rushed off to hospital I couldn’t see. Because the impacted like damage the visual processing part of my brain. And my head is a different shape. It was absolutely terrifying. And because I was concussed and I couldn’t see I was like flailing around. And the nurses actually had to put me in four point restraints on the X ray table. Because you know, when you have an x ray, you have to leave the room. So they were afraid I was gonna fall off. So now I’m tied down, which is like a trauma in itself. Oh, my God. And so that was that was the first one and it was kind of, you know, we kind of not laughed it off. But I kind of got well pretty quickly from that because you know, when you’re student this kind of things happen in Manchester in the 80s. That was kind of like what happened. And about three years later,

Ari: let me ask you something. Did you did you go to the police? Did you report it? Did you do anything?

Chana: Not that one. No. I didn’t know who he was what what was going to tell them you know, like, and also strangely, because nobody else knew what happened. I remember you know, a very close friend. No, thank God I’m still in touch with you know, 30 years later. And she was sitting on her sofa, and friends came kept coming to visit, because my head was so swollen that they all called me melon head. Doesn’t matter what color and shape her head is today. So I’m laying on the sofa and some friends came over. And she was explaining to them what had happened to me because she’d actually come with me to the emergency room. And she said, Oh, Hannah fell over. And I’m like, No, I didn’t. That guy pushed me. And they all looked at me. Like, really, and this is like, maybe a week, 10 days after the event. So really, it was a sexual assault, you know, but because, you know, people just presumed I’d fallen over. Nobody said anything. So that’s kind of how it was kind of. Yeah,

I guess you didn’t get very good advice. No, okay. No, you know, sometimes the most well meaning people just give us bad advice. Not a purpose, you know, but it just happens that way. All right. Okay. Now, so what happened next?

Chana: After I left college, I moved out of the community where all the students were living. And the day after I moved, I walked back to pick up some stuff I left for the neighbor, it was about six o’clock in the evening. And in February in Manchester, it’s already dark, it’s cold. And I’m walking fast to get to see my friend,

Ari: Chana excuse me, how long after, did this event take place? After the first one? That’s about

Chana: three years in between, I’d say three years. Okay, good. So, so I was walking fast in the dark and near where I’d been living for the last five or six years. And all of a sudden, out of the dark came three men who ran up behind me, slammed me on the ground and beat the living daylights out of me, I think they were looking for money. I can only guess. But it was so terrifying that I had what we’d call an out of body experience, which I think is quite common when people are in the middle of a trauma. It’s kind of a defense, you know, mechanism to deal with such a frightening thing. And I can remember, it was almost like I was 30 feet above me looking down. And I could see them beating me. And I noticed almost watching it, it’s very bizarre. And later, another way I’d remember it was like being deep inside of me. And being like moved around as they beat me kind of like a tree being blown around in a gale force wind, you know, I could feel them pounding on me. But I was deep inside of myself, you know, so it was it, you know, and I think that’s also common with traumas. Like as the years go by, you kind of remember different things about it, you remember it differently, different things kind of crop up to you. But I what I remembered for the longest time, you know, for the first I could say 10 years afterwards, what I remember, the most striking thing to me was I could hear my thinking and my thinking was saying, if you can’t catch another breath, they’re gonna kill you. Because I could, I could hear myself screaming, and I could feel the air running out of my lungs. I’m thinking if you can’t catch another breath, which is hard when someone’s pounding on your chest and your stomach, I’m gonna die. And the next thought was, if they have a knife, you’re going to die. And, and that was that was how terrifying I was it probably only lasted like a minute or two you know, Max, but in you know, you kind of go into slow motion also and things like that. And then after they ran off, I kind of pulled myself up it was kind of not a waste ground. But it was kind of in between to like to areas warehouses where it was like a bit of like a grassy area where the path was. And I remember calling myself about the dirt. And I could see in the in the glow of a like a street lamp, I could see someone walking by on the other side of the street. And I never was angry or resentful that he didn’t stop to help me. But it did kind of compound that kind of feeling of isolation and vulnerability and like, you know, disposable and nobody cared. Really that’s kind of where my thinking started to go. So yeah, I had probably a few ribs and internal bruising and my ears were pretty much up from like being because I was screaming they were kicking me in the head, you know, trying to stop me from making noise. But yeah, this this one, maybe I’ve got a suspicion there are two people walking by and who didn’t stop. Now. I’ve heard stories about people who stopped to try and help someone who get into trouble themselves. So like I said, I didn’t have a problem with that so much as I just was I couldn’t understand what was happening to me. And that was

Ari: okay, so what did you do about that? Did you go to the police about this one?

Chana: I did kind of reluctantly, I you know, because what are they gonna do? But I kind of after a couple of days of like resting and I kind of, you know, needed to get out the house just to get you know, some milk or bread or something just to feed myself I remember going towards the door and and my head was saying last time you left the house, so they almost killed you. And so like, you know, so going to the cop going to the corner store the first time was like panic attacks the hallway. So going to the police station was like, I really need to do this. And I thought, No, I want them to know what’s happening. People need to know what’s happening. So I, it took me a couple of panic attacks just to get to the police station. And I sat I said, I want to give a report and they invited me into an interview room and sat me down and the detective was filling out the forms. And as I’m telling him what happened, what time it wasn’t date and everything. He said, Well, we know who did it. Like, what? If it’d been okay to reach across the table and strangle this guy, I think I would have done. You want to get arrested? But he said, he said yeah. He said, Yeah, these three guys have been going around mugging mugging women in the neighborhood recently. We know who did it. I wanted to scream smack him, you know, I couldn’t believe it. And I said to him, so why aren’t you doing anything? You know, what, why? Why don’t you do something about this? He said, Well, you know, we’ve got more important things to deal with was pretty much what he said. Because it was kind of it was like a student kind of area next to a kind of druggie kind of, you know, not such a nice area. So they were dealing with, you know, gangs and shootings and stuff like that. So so a girl getting beaten up a bit. It’s like, Yeah, whatever. Yeah. So basically, I was given a cup of tea, go home, and we’ll get off. That was the treatment. Oh, my God. It was, it was like the early 1980s, I’d say that was about 83 or 84. And that’s when PTSD actually went into the DSM. The DSM is the, like, the Bible, if you like for psychology and psychiatry and social workers, how they dish out diagnosis, so that a list of, you know, recognize recognized diagnosis. And so in Manchester, nobody’s heard of that. So like, I didn’t get any, any support any treatment. I did get some money eventually from from the criminal Compensation Board, which was, you know, that but that was it, no kind of therapy or psychological support. You know, just my friends were amazing and supportive me at the beginning, but then they moved on to the next thing, too. And I was left with that re reliving and reliving and reliving that trauma and the thoughts that came with it.

Ari: Wow. All right. So that was two. Now there was another one.

Chana: Yeah. So when it came up to about a year after that, that event, and I could kind of feel myself getting really tense, like when I seen that date on the calendar come up, because I could tell you it was the second Tuesday in February, I forgotten what year it was now, but I knew as the second Tuesday in February, I was kind of like, you know, I was kind of getting ready. For what I don’t know. But I thought Manchester is clearly the problem. I need to move down to London. So I moved down to London. And that’s where I started my career in the entertainment business first working in like community arts, theater, and then progressing to, you know, the Shakespeare Company and BBC and working my way up. But I just started working in a theater. It was about two years after I moved to London. So since like, maybe two and a half years after the second attack, I was riding my bicycle home late from the theater one night. And I remember noticing a young boy, he was probably I think was about 16. And I noticed him because he was on a little kid’s bike like a five year olds bicycle. And I remember thinking, why is he on such little kids. But the next thing I knew he was off the bike, it came flying through the air and hit me in the head and shoulders. So because I was riding fast in that direction, and the bike kind of threw it towards me. It was like, it was like, like being shut out of a cannon at a breadboard. The impact was ferocious. I fell off the bike obviously and into the path of oncoming traffic, which was amazing how a car didn’t run up ahead. Because a busy London street and and he he took my bike from underneath me and made off with it. He sold it for about $70 The next day. I know that because I couldn’t pick myself up and got to some friends who lived nearby. And their daughter heard him bragging about it in school the next day. They heard him bragging about how he’d stolen a bicycle from a girl who was on the bank. He thought this was funny. And he almost killed me for it.

Ari: And what did you do about this? If anything? So

Chana: So I wasn’t keen on going to the police because after the last experience, you know, like you know, I was completely dismissed and you know, shown the door with the with the last time so what was the point? But I went to my family doctor and he kind of moved my head around so you’re fine. I didn’t even get an x ray or anything. But my friends who I was visiting, because the boy found out that They knew who we knew who he was. He got a little, you know, scared, we were gonna report him. So he then set their garbage cans on fire. Now, they had little kids in the house. So, you know, my friend got very nervous. And she said, Honey, you got to go, you got to tell the police, you know, this is not just you now, it’s like my family’s, you know, in danger. So, we did go to the police. And, and I heard that he got picking, he got picked up for stealing cars a few days later. So he then was in the system. And you know, that’s the last I heard of him.

Ari: Wow. Wow. You know, you know, it’s bad enough. You know, most people don’t get mugged once in a lifetime. You know, if they do rarely is it twice, but three times? That’s, that’s just amazing. How to know you had three major bricks thrown at you. Okay. And it’s kind of like you probably was wondering at the time, like, Why me what is going on here? Right. I have to imagine now. But after that, it seems that you were you had some some luck in the, in the workforce. All right, getting a job working in, you know, an entertainment and theater. And I think you mentioned to me why other than Hollywood. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Chana: Yeah, I mean, it’s it still amazes me how after that third one, I could barely get out my bedroom door. Front door, I was so terrified to leave the house, understandably. I got into some pretty dark places. But luckily, I finally reached out for help. And some ladies got me, you know, back on my feet, and really showed me the way out of that darkness. And so I, I started working on a job, I’ve always been self employed. I’ve never had a proper job. And so I I was doing a commercial that was for Motorola. If you remember, back then cell phones were as large as a brick. And it was a print commercial for Motorola that was gonna be on billboards and in magazines. And we had to make some wings that we’re going to, you know, show that if you have a cell phone, you’re free as a bird like little Little did we know back then how we would still be tied to something. And so on this commercial, I met a lady who had made a couple of movies, she’d done special effects with Jim Henson. So

Ari: the Muppets Jim Henson,

Chana: yes, the Muppet guy. So Jim Henson, who made the bum is he had just passed away, but his son has been running the company ever since Brian Henson. And this, they had a workshop in London. So my friend invited me to come and be her assistant. And so the first movie I worked on was the first Flintstones movie, if you guys remember that. It’s funny when I talk to teenagers, and I tell them my story, they say, oh, yeah, my mom told me about that movie. It’s, like 30 years old now. Anyway, so we, we built all the animatronic puppets for the movie, the dinosaur and the dicta bird and all those kinds of special effects of special effects puppets are in the movie. And so the main crew were flown out to LA to start filming, and I stayed hung back in London and did some smaller projects. And then I got notice that they needed to bring back the experience, people start working on the next project. And I was sent to Hollywood, to supervise all the creatures for three months of filming with Steven Spielberg, Elizabeth Taylor, John Goodman. That was my first movie, which is not too shabby.

Ari: Wow, that must have been amazing.

Chana: Yeah, it was, it was. It was it was quite scary at times, because I’d never been on a movie set before. It really had to, like, you know, learn as I was going along. And I learned, I really learned a lot of, you know, things I’ve had, basically make friends with everybody because you never know what you’re going to need their help. That was a good lesson with that one. You know, you never know when you’re going to need a electrician or a carpenter to come and come and help you fix something. And so yeah, I it was it was a big success. And I came back to London and started working on the next movie, which was babe, the talking pig movie. That’s took us to Australia. And we’ve got an Academy Award for that one. So it just kind of went like that each movie, you know, going on and doing more and more weird and wonderful and amazing things with with incredible people flying around the world. What? What a privilege that was.

Ari: Well, that’s like, you know, I mean, I wonder do you look back and say, you know, maybe the three muggings is what, you know, prepared me for my greater success. In other words, I had to suffer a little bit beforehand, right before I was able to attain this success, but at the end of the day, you attained some very, very interesting success.

Chana: Yeah, it really did. You know, I really felt that. I kind of learned to be a survivor, but I learned not you know, I would kind of give up you know, Don’t think I can’t do this anymore. And then I’d pick myself up, and then I get beaten down again. But what I started to realize is, when you’re when you’re when you’re more living in the moment, because I think, you know, when you survive kind of traumas like that, it kind of brings you back to really valuing, hearing. Now, when I got well from it, that each job I was doing, what I was brought, to me was an opportunity to grow and share. And, and I should also say, in between those movies, I was also coaching and counseling people, I trained as a counselor, back when I was in college. And so, you know, because of the kind of very specialized work I was doing, it was very, it was very common to have maybe two or three months off in between each project. So I would do, you know, volunteer work with the Boys and Girls Club or, you know, like different different organizations that provides support for people who’ve been through trauma or, you know, other kinds of problems. So it kind of kept my feet on the ground, because when you’re working in that kind of movie environment, you can imagine it can get a bit seductive. Yeah. So I am, I, I am, I saw how, by by helping people in between, it was really keeping me in a place where, you know, being real, as it were. And eventually, I started to see that, that, that, that what I’d been through, I could share with other people. So, so the confidence I was getting at work combined with the coaching experience I had with, you know, working with other people who were still suffering, it kind of Yeah, it’s turned my life into something really worthwhile and gave me something to live for. Whereas before, it was like, What? What is?

Ari: Well, so, we had discussed this before, I think, but you ultimately wound up obviously in Hollywood. All right, and what many would consider a dream job? Okay. But with everything, you felt like your life was empty, even though you had all this? Yeah. Do you know this? I don’t know, fame fortune. I don’t know if you had fame and fortune, but just the thrill of being in Hollywood and working on the sets and working with all these famous people. But you still felt empty. So tell us a little bit about how you found your height? Let’s call it a higher calling. Because you did find some ultimately, you found something that was going to fill that void.

Chana: Yeah, it was interesting. Because yeah, like you say that what I had was what so many people, you know, dream of and work very hard to get. And I was at the top in my career, you know, if a movie needed a talking animal, or some kind of that kind of special effects, then then I was you know, I was doing that work.

Ari: And you were the go to guy for that kind of work.

Chana: That you need a token Tiger, I’m your man. Like, I made a set of wings for John Travolta for a movie called Michael and they became the gold standard for wings in in Hollywood for many years. I capuccino. Were my wings. Michael Jackson wore my wings. And so, yeah, and, you know, as I became more, more, more spiritually awakened, more grounded in, you know, myself, I started seeing the, you know, this kind of fame and fortune stuff that I was so seductive, and I was chasing like everybody else. I said, I just started feeling very empty. And I started thinking, Well, I mean, I was lucky that I worked on mostly children or like family type movies, I wasn’t you know, a lot of my colleagues were working on slasher, you know, horror type stuff as well, because it’s the same, you know, same material, special effects doing that stuff. But even though I was working on mostly children’s movies, I still felt like I should be doing something a little bit more worthwhile, because you could be working 100 hours a week on these things. And like, you don’t get to see your family or your, you know, it’s hard to have a life when you’re working so hard. And I started thinking, well, maybe I should do documentaries, you know, maybe I should do something a bit more, you know, like, has a bit more value to it. And for about two years, I was kind of playing with these ideas of leaving, or what should I do it? I’ve only ever worked in film. I don’t know what else to do. And we used to call it the golden handcuffs. You know, because it’s like, Okay, I’ll do another movie. If it’s with Brad Pitt. I guess I’ll do it. You know? I mean, seriously, my last movie I did was with Brad Pitt and Brad Pitt and Julia Roberts. And you know, like, Okay, I’ll do it. You know, it’s very seductive. And then, after that movie, I was just so drained. I was exhausted. I’d actually I’d actually found out when I was in Australia that my neck was broken. When that kid threw that back at me. My neck had been broken. I didn’t know it at the time. I walked around with a broken neck for two years. And I don’t have chronic pain for 25 years from from my neck injury and then from my lower back, and I was fighting with that all the time. My back would go out. I would you know, I was paralyzed a few times. I was rushed off to the emergency do several times. And and so by that last movie, I was in such pain in my back, I started realizing, you know, maybe I should be doing something else. And so I just kind of I remember the last, the last movie, a movie I was offered was called Stuart Little, it was about. Sure. So I was offered the job of supervisors supervising all the special effects on that movie. And it’s a beautiful story. It’s so cute. I mean, what they did with it was amazing. And I remember looking at the phone and thinking, I need to call the producer and tell her I can’t do it. And I won’t say it’s the hardest phone call I’ve ever made. But it was certainly a significant one. Because I knew as soon as I made that phone call, that was it, my career was over, because there are plenty of people who want to take my place. So I called her and I said, I’m really sorry, but I can’t do it. It’s almost like, like, my hands wouldn’t do it anymore. You know, for a couple of years, I’ve been thinking I shouldn’t be doing this. And then it was almost like the talent was taken away. And I couldn’t do it. And I stopped. And for a little while, I was like, Okay, now what, you know. And then that’s when I started teaching, and then turning to coaching full time and started working. First of all, as a trauma coach, and then later the chronic pain kind of came into it. And, and that’s kind of more what I’m doing now.

Ari: Right. But I remember you telling me first of all, you’re Jewish, correct? Yeah. Okay, just like me. Okay. And I think you mentioned something about you, you weren’t a practicing Jew, if memory serves me correct. You didn’t know much about it. And then things changed. What happened?

 Chana: Yeah, because I was going to, you know, in America, what’s called a reformed temple in England, I didn’t really grow up that, but it was kind of appealing to me. Because you could, you know, you could do whatever you wanted, and go to temple and meet people on Saturday. And, and I, I was, you know, my temple had people like Dustin Hoffman, and David Mamet, and, you know, like, it was, it was cool and trendy today, it was spiritual, you know, like, you do your medication, you do your yoga, you got a temple, you know, it was it was like a cultural thing. And, and then I started, you know, I started getting kind of, more curious, I wanted something deeper, something, something stronger. And the rabbi of that reformed temple gave me a, gave me a book, which, you know, it’s called inhibits called Mercy, let me share him, it means half of the just in English. And I was so taken by this book, because it was really about in Hebrew, it’s could muster. But in English, it’s like self development. And because of the coaching and counseling work I’ve been doing, that really appealed to me. So it was kind of like, you know, my, my cultural and, you know, religious heritage was coming together with the work I was doing. And I was just in love with it. And so that’s that searching part of me, took me to a more, more, you know, observing lifestyle. And, and then I know, that eventually led me to coming here to living in Israel, which, where I’ve been now for 10 years.

Ari: Wow. That’s, that’s amazing. So you go from being mugged three times living in Manchester, living in London, then go into Hollywood, Australia, around the world doing all these things. All the while, probably you probably didn’t even realize it, but you were searching the entire time because you were trying to figure out what is going on. And you kept searching, but very often, you kept you know, you weren’t listening to those whispers You were getting hit with brick after brick after brick and you weren’t listening to the whispers until finally, when you made that decision, when you said I am done. Finally, the whispers got through to you and said, Look, you know what, you need to listen to me. And you did. And that led you on that path that you left the life of, you know, great physical achievements, but spiritually, were totally void. And, you know, with you know, with this with your curiosity and the like, and meeting the right people and having, you know, you know, just people from different walks of life who said to you, hey, try this, try that. And then it just leaves you and now I’m assuming you’re, you’re an Orthodox Jew, correct? And you and and you just left everything you left your entire career, right, the whole Hollywood thing, and you move to Israel, alright, we you gain more spirituality. And the next thing you know, your coaching is better. You’re, you know, you’re doing things that you really love, you’re doing things that you know, is important. And not only are you helping others, but every time you help others, you’re helping yourself as well. And that is that is totally totally amazing. I hope my my audience understands what you went through. And what the ultimate, you know, what, where you wound up at the end. So, I would say to the audience if you’re going through stuff, okay, just listened to Hannah studly All right, because she’s been going through all kinds of stuff. But she realized what was important in life. And she followed those dreams that she had to become a better human being that is absolutely amazing. So now you’re what you’re doing coaching. Yeah,

Chana:I am. I’m, I’m a, primarily coach now. And like I said, I was doing a lot of work with trauma, which I still do if people need that. But because of my chronic pain, I got curious because my pain actually went away. I am, you know, you said in my bio, in the introduction, I’m actually at what’s called a three principles practitioner. And these three principles are kind of a new paradigm in psychology. And I came across this about six years ago, and I was so taken with these ideas, I got so excited about them, that I went to London to do some training. And because of the expense of the course, and flying backwards and forwards, you know, had to go there several times. And studying and the traveling, I needed to save some money. So I’ve been going to the chiropractor for 25 years, right? Since that that doctor in Australia, when he treated me when I when I discovered I had a broken neck, he said to me, you’re going to need to have treatment for the rest of your life. So for every month for I thought was going to be the rest of my life, which turned out to be 25 years, I was going to the chiropractor, and I’d have flare ups in between, and I would see the chiropractor even more, you know, more treatments, I always was, I was never very far from an ice pack or a heating thing, or, you know, massage that kind of stuff. Because of the tension in my back and attention when my arm would go numb sometimes, you know, I lose the power of my legs, I’d say I’d say like a pain shooting down my leg. And after I finished the six month course, I suddenly noticed my pain had gone away. And I was so intrigued by this, that I wondered if I could recreate this and other people. So I got five volunteers and I put together a kind of program sort of like using the ideas that I’ve learned, combining it with some a lot of pain science that I was now really enjoying reading. So it was fascinating to me. And I developed a program and these five volunteers started to get better, they started to see that we’re always feeling our thinking. Now, when I was in the depths of my PTSD, I was feeling my really bad negative thinking. And so I was feeling terrible. And then as I started to come out of that darkness and light with guidance of some amazing people, and you know, the benefits I was getting from the work and you know, and then moving here and all that spiritual work, my consciousness is rising up, and I’m feeling better. And we’re always feeling our thinking. And I think for some of us who have chronic pain, we’re kind of feeling that thinking in our bodies, my body was sending messages to me kind of, they were kind of like the whispers if you like that I was getting like it at first it was the physical assaults I was getting that were like these bricks. And then the whispers I was I would say now are like my body’s saying to me slow down, slow down, you know, and the back pain and the numbness and I you know, it’s not just back pain people my clients

So, so the whispers I was getting from my body. They were, they were telling me to slow down that my think my busy mind trying to I was trying to fix my, my environment for a long time. And then I was trying to fix my thinking. And as I realized my thinking doesn’t actually need fixing. The thinking is always flowing and moving, that I’m actually not broken. There’s actually nothing wrong with me. That’s when I start I think that’s when my pain went away. And that’s what I’m sharing with people now is that you’re not broken, you don’t need fixing. And like God doesn’t make garbage. You’re perfect just the way you are. And that those insights have been enough for my pain to go away. And a lot of the people I’ve worked with, and other parts of their life start getting better too. You know, relationships get better and you know, like business gets better. My gosh, x has gotten better. It’s incredible.

Ari: Wow, that’s amazing. Alright, so let me ask you, let’s we’re gonna wrap this up. If people want to get a hold of you, alright, if they want to, you know, talk to you or join your program or anything like that. What’s the best way to get in touch with you have a website you have a an email address? What? What have you got?

Chana: Yes. So I have a website. It’s my name Hannah studly calm, which is spelt st h eight and a STUDLE. why.com It’s the same for the email address, it’s kind of steadily at Gmail, I’m on Facebook, you can find me there actually have a Facebook group, which is a whole wonderful discussion about these ideas. And it’s called TMS, the three principles and chronic pain. And I’m about to record an online program. I’ve been doing a 10 hour program for like, the last couple of years where I discuss things with people. But the science that I’ve been reading, I’m finding, I want to record it and put it into an online program. So that’s something to look forward to. The two books, like you said, are on Amazon, I’m in the middle of writing for more or more. Yeah, it’s amazing. Like, once I got see what’s my thinking slowed down, even things like me saying to myself, I’m not academic. You know, some people say, I’m shy, I couldn’t do what you do. I’m not academic, I realized that I can write, and I am. So now I like these ideas for these stories, because my books are actually novels or fiction. Because I think, often, you know, people aren’t like me, they don’t always want to read textbooks and research papers. So I found by putting these stories and these ideas into fiction into with characters who can, you know, do the searching and do the falling down and getting up and the discovering and the healing? You know, you follow these characters go through these adventures, and these is these traumas and and getting well at the other end, I think people find that a lot more easier to read. And, you know, because everybody loves a story, it’s much more engaging. So the first one was about trauma. The second one was about pain. And I’ve got a book on hormones and menopause on the go. I’ve got a book on abuse, and one on ADHD. They’re just, they’re all novels. They’re topics where people are suffering. And I want to share the information that has been given to me so that they can get have insights and get free of the old ideas and what they’ve been through.

Ari: Wow. Okay, that’s great. So, if you want to get a hold of Hannah, you can go to kinda studly dotcom, CH a n a studley.com. Or if you want to email her, it’s kind of studly@gmail.com. And she’ll be more than happy to work with you talk to you, she’ll guide you. You know, if you want to get into one of our programs, I’m sure she can help you out to make a decision as to which program you would fit into. She’s really, really great. I’m so happy Hannah. Thanks so much for sharing your story with my audience. I’m sure you’ve touched the hearts of many people in my audience. Good luck going forward. Keep up the good work. You know, keep helping people. And you know, God will bless you. He certainly will. You be listening to his prayers and bricks and I’m your host every show and until next time, listen to the whispers avoid the breaks and never ever give up on your dreams. Bye for now.